dennis sastre had five. -- dennis hastert had 5. newt gingrich had 9, and then he stepped down as speaker of the house. how big was this? guest: we do not know if it was small rebellions that will be inconsequential or if it is a harbinger of worse things to come for john boehner. the members who voted against him tend to be always on the fringes of things. it is not because of their districts demanding a vote against john mica -- john boehner. there was definitely some personal -- not like what newt gingrich faced, where people were worried about their elections because of newt gingrich. john boehner is not a problem for most of these people. i think the problem for boehner is a management problem. can he continue to get stuff done? will these 15 -- this shows how hard it is for him to get stuff passed. if they are going to vote against him on being speaker, imagine the bigger deals that have several painful choices. host: we will conclude on that, john feehery, a veteran of the house, jim manley, a veteran of the senate, thank you